At the time of their marriage, Edith already had a daughter, Elaine, and Elaine commented more than once that John Sale treated her like his own daughter. Edith and Mike subsequently had two other children, "Gin" and "Bus."

On that Johnny Cake Road property Mike raised chickens and had a large garden that he tended. During WWII, Mike - who was too old at the time for active duty - served as a Civil Defense Warden. While living on Johnny Cake Road, Elaine commuted into Baltimore with Mike to work first at Prudential Insurance and later at Monarch Insurance Company. Sometime after the end on WWII, John and Edith (Nanny and Mike) moved to Dogwood Road, in a house next to daughter Virginia and her husband Herman Wagenfer.

There is not much known now of Herman Wagenfer. He served in World War II and was evidently in the mortar platoon of an infantry company that saw combat in Italy. Herman's job was to carry the base plate of the mortar, and to help assemble the mortar and make it ready for action, and to provide mortar rounds to the crew members who armed and fired the weapon. This implies that Herman also carried mortar rounds as part of his duties. As a young man Herman was small of stature and the task of hauling thay base plate up and down the hills of Italy had to be grueling. Following the war Herman sought employment with a local market, stocking groceries, and he did that until he retired. Gin spent her employed life working in the kitchen of a local school. What fine Americans! They also raised three nice sons, Stephen, Neil, and Barry.

In their Dogwood Road home, Mike again had a large garden that he carefully tended, and the family would often gather for Independence Day picnics. Jay would play with cousins Steve, Neil, and Barry; often along Dead Run Creek that ran across the back of the Wagenfer property. The get-togethers were often cause for the men to play horseshoes, and Bill Braden was one of the best at it. He could throw a flat shoe with 1 1/2 turns that would open right at the stake.

When the Social Security Administration building was built on what is now Security Boulevard, the massive rain runoff from that construction flooded the creek and all the homes that backed up to it. In retrospect, the flooding was a violation of these families' riparian rights and the Social Security Administration should have been held accountable for the flooding. In actuality, the government eventually exercised eminent domain and bought up all the properties and the Wagenfers and Sales were forced to move. The Wagenfer home was bought by a private owner and the house was moved across the street where it stands today. The rest of the homes were demolished. Nanny and Mike moved to a small apartment in Westminister where they lived out their lives, and Virginia and Herman moved to a trailer park northwest of Baltimore. The breakup of the Wagenfer-Sale homes on Dogwood Road was a sad day for the family.